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Post by 3RRL on Feb 18, 2009 23:12:12 GMT -5
We are finally getting around to making some more improvements to Loretta's 284 Jinma. On the list are several items which include (not necessarily in order): -Add tool box(es) (including the ones Larry gave me a couple years ago). -Add a Filter Minder gauge for the air filter. -Add FEL stabilizers from the uprights to the rear end. -Replace all the Chinese hydraulic valves with a new 4 spool Prince SV. -Add Top and Tilt with 2 hydraulic side links and DPOCV's on all cylinders. -Add 2 new rear remotes (replacing one that doesn't work) -Reposition her grapple on the bucket so it will shut better and also move it forward to the tooth bar tips. -Whatever else we can think of ... lol. I know it's a big list and some of the mods will take a lot of time and work so it might drag out a bit. I'll use this thread to document when I get around to doing each of them and I promise not to bore you with every milling cut or every fabrication detail. I want to show you only some of the building process and of course, the results. For example, I already got the Filter Minder installed. I must have bought it about a year ago when Larry installed the one on my Kama. It's a gauge that tells you when the air filter gets plugged up. Here is where I put the vacuum tube on the intake just before the air filter. The other photos shows the gauge mounted in her dash. Notice she's already got 118 hours on her Jinma. Rob-
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Post by quikduk on Feb 18, 2009 23:34:02 GMT -5
That is one of those mods that I need to do someday. I like the position of the gauge. Do they offer a square framed one or would I need to fab up a custom bezel?
Another mod I would like is a tilt-meter.
Oh, since her Jinma has a Chinese loader, you might want to fab up some brackets and bolt on a rear loader tower cross brace. I have mine almost done and will test fit it soon.
The loader towers flex badly when I am running with a full bucket.
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Post by red on Feb 19, 2009 4:43:07 GMT -5
I promise not to bore you with every milling cut or every fabrication detail. I want to show you only some of the building process and of course, the results.
Rob
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Rob- post as much as you can or have time for Never boring just am amazed that you can stop what you're doing to take pictures. I get lost with out stopping ;D -Ed
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 19, 2009 11:10:49 GMT -5
That is one of those mods that I need to do someday. I like the position of the gauge. Do they offer a square framed one or would I need to fab up a custom bezel? Another mod I would like is a tilt-meter. Oh, since her Jinma has a Chinese loader, you might want to fab up some brackets and bolt on a rear loader tower cross brace. I have mine almost done and will test fit it soon. The loader towers flex badly when I am running with a full bucket. You must have missed the third one down on the list or I didn't make it clear. That's one of the mods to do. Even with her smaller capacity, the loader bracket flexes a lot. I already bought the square tubing for part of it...1/4 wall a x 3 x 3 tubing. I have to figure out a good way to attach it to the rear plate. I'll share what I come up with when I start that mod. Rob-
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 12:01:37 GMT -5
Now that the filter minder installation is done, I started working on the grapple relocation. The problem was the OEM bucket bowed and tore at the top corners. The grapple tips ended up too far away from the bucket bottom of the bucket. The other thing was when we made the grapple, it was designed for a bucket without a tooth bar. So the grapple jaws are a little short to reach out to the tips of the toothbar. Loretta does not move much dirt with her tractor but it's used more for brush and log moving and maybe some compost. Her key is to be able to pick up stuff clam shell style or driving into a pile/log/rock and grasping it. I moved the grapple base about 4 or 5 inches forward. Instead of just cutting the jaws and adding a section to them, I needed to beef up the bucket anyway so this is what I came up with. I also spent a couple hours re welding the entire bucket top lip inside and out and all the corners. But you can see what I want to do and the problem I will have since it is now cantilevered out over the top bucket lip. There are comparison photos of it's original location showing it sitting back farther and also of the teeth up from the bucket lip.
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 20:24:11 GMT -5
You can see the problem with moving the grapple forward is that now there will be even more pressure trying to pry the bucket open. I'm going to try gusseting the inside of the bucket. Along the back side of the bucket, where the top QA hooks are, there is a 1/4" thick plate about 6" wide that runs across the entire back. I figure if I make the inner gussets heavy duty enough, and if I can attach them to that back plate, then the entire top lip would be tied into the back of the bucket. So here's my plan. I got some old busted up scarifier shanks that are 3/4" thick x 2-1/2" wide. (I never threw them away) Then I sawed them into a shape to fit the inside of the bucket. I had to weld some pieces together to get the shape I wanted. What they do is attach to the underside of the grapple mounting plate, to the inside of the bucket top and also to the inside of the bucket back. Burning the weld through to the back plate took a little more heat than I thought. When I tried to pry the grapples backward, they were pretty stiff. Before when I did they I could feel the bucket flex. Now it's better. I think it should hold the back and top together now, but of course I will test it out first. Rob-
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 20:30:58 GMT -5
OK, now you can see the grapple jaw tips are closer to the toothbar tips when open. When closed they actually "interlock" with the toothbar. I believe this position will make it easier for Loretta not only to clam shell pick stuff up, but also drive into logs or rocks and the grapple jaws should snag the object. BTW, if the bucket still flexes, I will add a tube all the way across the top lip and and use angle iron at the ends to weld it to the bucket sides. I'll try this way first. Rob-
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 20:39:17 GMT -5
Next thing I got started on was the Top and Tilt. I ordered a 4 spool stack valve from Surplus center with power beyond. Of course they sent me the wrong outlet section so they are shipping me the power beyond sleeve. But here is the assembly of that new valve. You lay it down on the side with the tie rod bolts sticking up and place each section in the order you want. I got 3 sections that are spring loaded returning to center and one that is detented. Then you place the "O" rings between each section and torque it up to 150 inch pounds.
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 20:52:18 GMT -5
Here is the other stuff for the project. A hydraulic top link and two hydraulic side links. The hydraulic top link is originally off the Kama but I replaced it with a heavier larger one. So Loretta can use this one. It's from CCM and has a DPOCV that goes on it. The photo does not show it on because when I first tried it through her stock OEM rear remotes, it didn't work so I took it off. Turns out that wasn't the problem, it was the stock rear remote valve was crap. I couldn't get more than 1,100psi out of it no matter what I did to the pressure relief valve. That's one of the reasons for the new valve. The second photo show that Loretta took all my hydraulic fittings and sorted the out for me. She put them all organized into a rolling cart. Now I can choose from what I've collected over the years. There are all kinds of SAE, NPT, Metric and BSP fittings in there. The last photo shows what came off the tractor. Her old valves, rear remotes and hoses. The old FEL is being mailed to Mariner and the hoses to Red because they asked me for them. They are going to refund the shipping charges. There are still hoses and fittings coming from Discount Hydraulics but they haven't arrived yet. I'm going to use all "Re-usable" fittings on this project so I can make up my own hoses in the shop.
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 21:05:44 GMT -5
Last thing I wanted was to mount DPOCV's to those side link cylinders. You might remember I bought a bunch of them from Mark at CCM for my other projects? Well, the problem is these are Metric. The tubing is Metric and the Banjo bolts are parallel BSP. The inlet and outlet on the valve body tapered BSP ... nice. I can get adapter fittings for that stuff, but the biggest problem is they are too long for the ports on the side link cylinders I bought. There is only so much room for adjustment by shortening threads and cutting of the banjo tubes before you get into the spring loaded check valve mechanism. The last photo shows the assembly at it's shortest vs the ports on the cylinders. I will have to think what to do about this one a little. Rob-
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2009 21:14:40 GMT -5
Well, enough about that lousy DPOCV for now, it hurts my brain. I got to making a bracket to hold the new SV Valve. I used a bolt pattern that was on the Jinma originally for her handle and made the bracket to fit that. Oh, also painted them yellow to match her tractor. So this is how that bracket and valve turned out mounted on her Jinma. Now I have to wait for Surplus Center to send the Power Beyond sleeve and also for all the Discount Hydraulics fittings and hose. They should all arrive next week. It's supposed to rain again so I can work on this project and maybe the Air compressor and air lines in the shop too? More to come later... Rob-
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Post by quikduk on Feb 21, 2009 21:52:01 GMT -5
Interesting way to mount the 4-spool valve. I thought about something like that on mine but it would be too high. I see that her fenders are metal and are closer to the front dash than my CI fiberglass ones. Re: the DPOCV's, how about this. In the pic where it is sitting by the cylinder ports, you could mount it to the side of the ports, then bend some hydraulic tubing in a series of tight 90 degree bends to get the banjo fittings to line up with the cylinder ports, possibly from the top and bottom directions. I have a bunch of shorter lengths of 1/2" seamless hydraulic tubing you can have to make the pieces then weld them to the banjos and other fittings if you like. Off topic here but the puppies have turned my house in to the Daytona 500 while I am typing this post. ;D Re: the bucket reinforcement, that is a slightly different way of what I mentioned when I realized I bent my bucket top. I remember seeing one of our member's tractor, possibly Flick, that had a vertical rib in the middle of the bucket. It was thin but ran along the back vertically from the top to the bottom. It was only about 3-4" deep and probably 1/4" thick. I was worried about material sticking in the bucket but I have that problem now without the brace so WTF? BTW, Since I welded the rear 1/2"x6"x30" brace along the rear-top of the bucket and along the top under the grapple brackets, I haven't seen the bending anymore. The FEL brace I was talking about were not the axle braces. I made those sim. to Larry's Koyker braces out of 1/2"x2-1/2" flat bar and those BA 1/2" flat plate braces I welded to the rear lower FEL mounts and torque tube. I have made some 1/2" plate mounts to the rear of the FEL towers and am bending a 1-1/2"x.120 tube upper tie brace to tie the top of the FEL towers together. The towers flex like a MF when the thing is pushed hard with a full bucket or when transporting empty on the road. A lot of "other" tractors have this bolt on brace and I have designed mine so it won't interfere with raising the hood (famous last words). Here are a couple of shots of the left tower with tapped holes and the brace mounting point mounted to the tower. There is a mirror image mount behind my FEL valve bracket on the other side shown here.
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Post by quikduk on Feb 21, 2009 21:59:26 GMT -5
I will be inserting some 1/2"x1-3/8" flat bar inside each end of the tubing, flattening the tubing equally on both sides and then welding the bar to the tubing.
This way, the tubing can't crush when I tighten the grade 8 bolts and will hold tight. I just have to level the FEL from side to side before I bolt the brace on but once on, it won't move...and it will give me a place to mount my Tilt-Meter, Cell phone and possibly IPod... ;D
Now that I have semi-trashed your post with other options, I think the mods to Loretta's Honeybee are starting to take shape.
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Post by bradblazer on Feb 21, 2009 23:42:50 GMT -5
Everything looks good Rob. The fallback on mounting those DPOCVs is to mount them in an intermediate location (hide them) and run hoses to the valves and to the cylinders.
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 22, 2009 13:06:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the feed back guys. Brad, I had thought of your suggestion and may do it after all. My goal (as you probably figured) was to hard-mount them on the cylinders in case of hose rupture. Not that that has ever happened to me nor would it be catastrophic in this use. So you may see it end up like you suggested if I can't figure out something hard-line attached.
Ken thanks also for your input on the same problem. I have no experience bending tubing nor do I have the tools to do it. In any case, there would be a connection problem of having to weld something to match from the Metric stuff to the SAE or NPT stuff. I will consider both suggestions though. Your FEL tower suggestion is pretty cool too. We don't use Loretta's tractor for any real heavy work like you probably use Doghouse. We use Huge Kama for that. That's also why I went for the internal gussets. I can always add the external ones, but those darn scarifiers just fit perfectly inside. Her's is limited to light loads in comparison, but the attachment to the rear axle is of prime concern when she "rolls" the bucket over onto a pile of brush or rocks and then continues to drive up it ... I've told her to watch doing that but, well, you know... Rob-
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