New guy here, just booted off of Tractorbynet

[hick11h1369]

Hey all, some of you may have heard of me and some of you I may be new to, but my name is Patrick Webb, I was just booted off of Tractorbynet by the dealer and importer police. For those of you that dont know me, I have one hell of a story to tell, for those of you that do know me, you might be suprised at the research I have done and what I have found out about Lenar tractors.

I am here for two reasons, one to learn about other Chinese tractors and to make sure that no one purchases a Lenar with out a full understanding of what type of company they are and what type of misery their tractors can bring a person. I will not only post my experiences but experiences of those the world over. It is only my opinion that what makes a company good or bad is the way they view all their customers, not just the ones near by. Lets face it some companies attitude is out of sight out of mind, and it is that attitude that can drive a customer out of his mind.

I hope not to bore any of you, I also hope that my posts will show that I am not just speaking for me, but on behalf of every unsatisfied owner of a Lenar. I assure you, what I will be posting will cause you to wonder how this company can even show its head, let alone its products here in the USA.

I encourage anyone that has had experiences such as mine with any brand of tractor to speak out, speak the truth and stop the bleeding.

Patrick Webb

PM me for Phone Number

Before the Lenar Tractor, there were shovels and mules, now the jackasses are driving the Lenars.

[quicksandfarmer]

Hi Patrick.

Anyone ever read "Watership Down?" TBN reminds me of the part where they visit the warren where the rabbits are being fattened up by humans to be used as food, and any time anyone asks a question they are immediately shouted down. I've never seen a site so censorious. Lots of sites have moderators -- in fact the lesson of the Internet is that no group can survive very long without one. But I've never seen a site where you're actually prohibited from saying certain things. Usually the moderators care only about how you say things -- no name calling, no personal attacks, basically same rules as kindergarten.

What strikes me as really bizarre is the ban on external links. Do they really think in the age of Google they can keep people from discovering other parts of the Internet?

What's ironic is that by excersing such strict control, they actually expose themselves to greater legal liability and risk of being sued for slander. The Supreme Court ruled in Stratton Oakmont v. Prodigy (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratton_Oakmont,_Inc._v._Prodigy_Services_Co.) that providers can only be held responsible for the content on their sites if they exert editorial influence.

[GuglioLS]

Hey Patrick, welcome to CTW.

I see you joined the club of "misfits", many of us here have been kicked off one board or another for just about every silly, sissy reason you can think of. I am not familiar with your Lenar story so lay it on us.

My neighbor Herman has a ~ 4 year old Lenar, not sure what model but it's small 25 hp? I took a good look at it, it's construction is very light duty, so use it accordingly. He's had a few minor problems, broke a FWD axle, which was fixed under warranty, and a few hydraulic leaks which did not see to much out of the ordinary. The local Feed store who sold him the tractor took pretty good care of him. When the axle busted he was in 4WD using the max out of it pushing up against an immovable pile of dirt, when SNAP, the internal left front drive axle busted in two. This has happened to many tractors, Chinese, Kubota, New Holland, Deer, you name it. Tractors are not bull dozer's. Anyway they picked up the tractor for him and fixed it in about a week then returned it, fixed, cleaned, oil and filter changed, He was happy with their service. That was a while back so things may have changed?

Herman uses his tractor for snow plowing, dirt moving, pulling stuck cars out of the ditch, wood gathering and other light duty tasks. Overall it's worked out pretty well for what he uses it for.

I guess you have a horror story to tell about a broken tractor and lousy customer service? Lets here it, don't sugar coat it either.


Larry

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Pat welcome around. We are a wide open forum so have it.

One thing tho. For your own protection I removed your phone number from your posts and asked interested parties to Private Message you for it. It's not a good Idea to have info like that public.

Have Fun!

P.S. That is the first post ever modified by admin and I hope it's the last...

[red]

Geese Scott- It's nice to have a mod that protects your ass! Instead of kicking it!!! ;D ;D ;D -Ed

[FlyHiFlyLo]

red said:

Geese Scott- It's nice to have a mod that protects your ass! Instead of kicking it!!! ;D ;D ;D -Ed

Hey, jus look'n out for the band of brotha's.

[3RRL]

red said:

Geese Scott- It's nice to have a mod that protects your ass! Instead of kicking it!!! ;D ;D ;D -Ed

Hahaha...that is great Ed!

Patrick, I read your thread about your Lenar on TBN and feel for you. You need to tell the whole story here. No editing will occur. We like to hear the good, the bad, and you guessed, the ugly.
On another note, there has been a lot of moderating there, especially in the oil section where multiple threads have been closed.
Rob-

[hick11h1369]

Hello guys, and thank you for the warm welcome. The reason I am upset is because I bought a brand new tractor with a lot of attatchments to use on my farm. The tractor was sitting at the dealer with the loader on it and a list of attachments that can be bought. My total bill was around 13000. Now this tractor came with a 2 yr warranty. That is in the price of the tractor. The dealers make 40 percent profit on these at this time. When my dealer went out of business and I got no support from Lenar, I found the web to be very useful. My posts are many, and they are of my experiences with Lenar. Just because they are old does not mean that justice has been served or that I am satisfied. Here is the first post I made, and my dealings with Lenar and problems with this tractor just got worse. Enjoy


Hello, my name is Patrick, I live in Michigan. I like many wanted a tractor for use on my horse farm, but didnt want to pay the price for a tractor from the major companies so I bought a brand new lenar tractor. Well, that was when my trouble started because in a period of 6 months, I have had a total of 4 of these POS. The dealer was about 120 miles from me, and the first tractor started to have an engine knock right after we loaded it on my trailer. The dealer said no problem, I will give you a new one, come back next week. Well he did give me a new one, and that one lasted a total of about 36 hrs because it blew 3 hydraulic hoses befor he came to pick it up and replace it with another new one. The one he dropped off to me broke in half at the transmission housing at about 40 hrs. So here he comes again with a new one. That one wouldnt go and still doesnt go into four wheel drive, plus it has a major oil leak and hydraulic leaks. And are you ready for this, it only has 36 hrs on it!!!!! Now I am stuck with this POS because he is out of business, no warranty, and the brand new warranty I have from FAIL SAFE was a sensless buy because no one will work on the tractor. There is a dealer in Memphis that said he will work on it, just bring it with me the next time I come to Tennessee. IF I had this to do over again, I would have bought me a shovel or a tractor from a major company. I know, you get what you pay for, but this is rediculous. None of the tractors worked the way they should have, they all had miss aligned prox switches for the tail lights, all had some sort of oil leak or hydraulic leak. Chinese tractors need to stay in China in the rice fields, they can not handle the hard american soil.


Patrick Webb

Please anyone can contact me on here. I put my phone number on here to be genuine and show that I am a real person. I have had numerous people call me with stories of their Lenar nightmares.


Before the Lenar Tractor, there were shovels and mules, now the jackasses drive the Lenars.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Post some pictures of the piece of shit will ya...

[GuglioLS]

Well Patrick that just sucks.

What was their reply? Did anyone respond at all? maybe they have no clue what POS means so you might have to spell it out for them! How long ago did all this take place? and did you keep the pressure on before the so called extended warranty expired? Now that I have read your story, I seem to remember reading some about this a very long time ago, do I have that right? or am I just not remembering correctly. So what is the latest with your situation? Maybe you can fix it yourself or does the story get worse?

I am curious what happened when that one tractor broke in half?
I've seen a few in pieces, and more time than not it's from slamming into things with the FEL, or too much stress from a Back Hoe or one too many sudden stops when a TPH implement catches on or slams into something or Simply a bad casting and no fault of the operator.

Not all Chinese tractors are created equal, I've seen my neighbors Lenar and it's construction is very light duty as compared to my Jinma 354, I would never ever think of pushing his Lenar any where near as hard as I push my Jinma. So far his luck with that Lenar has been pretty good, but then again he babies it. My neighbor got his Lenar about a year before my Jinma, after checking his out, well lets just say I was not too impressed.

In any event what are you going to do now?
Could you declare it a total loss and write it off on your taxes? Maybe leave it out in a bad neighborhood so it gets stolen? Or it could get struck by lightning and burn to the ground I know all this must be very painful and I feel for you man.

Larry

[hick11h1369]

Hey guys,

I would love to post pics. Can some one tell me how to do it on here? Like I have said, the posts are old, but the wound is still fresh. The Distributors in TX has the story that they did try to make me happy with a new tractor, but what they arent telling you is that they werent going to give me a loader with it, and they werent going to give me the 5 th spool hydraulic lever that I paid extra fro when I purchased the tractor. In my mind, to make the deal right, they should have replaced the Lenar with an approved loader, since they said the helpmate and the Leon both were not approved for the tractor. How was I to know this when the tractor is sitting at the dealers with these loaders on them. The construction of the Leon loader was a defining factor in the purchase of the machine. The larger tractor I was looking at from them was to cost me an additional 3000. I agreed to that. Not 5500. The deal was I was to stay off the net, let the waters calm and they would replace it. I held up my end of the deal, posted some positive comments because they (appeared) to be wanting to help. All the while they knew they were going to change the deal. It is Lenar that is responsible for their dealers. If the dealer drops the ball, Lenar should make it right. Just my opinion. But I feel that if you dont get satisfaction from the dealer, you go above his head to the Distributor. At any rate, I have recieved several calls from people about their tractors and it still looks as if Lenar is leaving its customers high and dry. With taxes comming back, spring around the corner, this is the time of yr people start looking at spending their money. I feel that they should be educated before they buy. I dont care if they buy any other Chinese tractor, as long as they do not buy a LENAR.

The probems I am having with my tractor is still the same. It overheats if you think about working it, the gears have always been stiff and a pain in the ass to move, the electrical system is defunct. One thing that really pisses me off is a simple problem of the tail lights melting the lens covers after the first 15 minutes of use. That just shows that Lenar has not tested this tractor for defects. The starter will act up in cold weather, and I have to keep it in my garage to keep it warm so it will start. Not to mention the engine being soaked in oil.

Now check this out, I have a fella working with me on a story about Lenar. He spoke with the Distributor for Michigan, he said that he is not looking at putting any support for Lenar tractors in Michigan. He also said that with the 274, the tractor I have, that the quality of them were so erratic, that either you got a Gem or a dud. 50 50 chance for 10000 dollars. Lenar knew this, yet if you speak to them, they will say the duds were abused by the operators. BULLSHIT. The best way to abuse a Lenar is to just start the fucking thing. Damn this pisses me off.

I will post pics when I find out how. I have to take a break right now.

I think I will like this board.

Patrick Webb

[quikduk]

Patrick:

I can't blame you for your disgust with Lenar. I was a bit skeptical re: Jinma but there appeared to be amazing amounts of support and a lot of dealers all over the country so that is the reason I continued and bought my 354.

Is there any way the tractor could be salvaged by re-wiring the electrical (there can't be that many circuits) and replacing the hydraulics etc so you could start really using it? I realize it is adding a bunch of $$ to an already bad product but the only other option I see is to get rid of it at a loss and buy a different used tractor.

I would probably tough it out and just start fixing the thing (if it is possible) myself since I don't have much disposable income but I do have skill (stop laughing Rob), knowledge (you too Larry) and time (oh now stop it...all of you... ).

We are here to support you so keep posting and maybe we can help you through this some how.

[arveeotto]

Patrick
I'm glad to see you post here. I was reading your post on TBN last week when poof, "Big Bird" appeared and deleated all your posts (also read your reply to him before getting banned). I think it is good for consumers to find out what a company is like before a purchase, good or bad. If negative feedback is always banned on other forums, is't it as much the fault of that site, as is the manufacturer for selling an individual a piece of shit. A person should be able to come to a site such as this to find information on a product and come to ones own conclusions. Keep the info coming, it's nice to read the feedback on a product without it dissappearing " before your very own eyes".

Rick

[harryg]

Patrick,
I've read your many postings on your Lenar problems for about three or maybe four years now on multiple forums.
Do you still have the Lenar? I just feel you have a hard-on for Lenar after reading all your readings.
You did sue?

[GuglioLS]

Patrick,

How to post pictures - CLICK HERE

The best way to abuse a Lenar is to just start the fucking thing. Damn this pisses me off.

Man that sucks, I went back and saw on tractor point? where you were totally pissed off at the situation back in '04. So this represents a very deep wound for you, what a rip off.

My thoughts are since the dealer went belly up, there really was no other place to get support other than the factory. Did you try and get a refund on that extended contract since it was useless? Any dealer other than the one you bought it from would have had to absorb 100% cost out of pocket, so I can understand how that was not going to happen. Did you try and work with the factory in a diplomatic manner?

I know this is painful and after the fact, but I would like to understand why after 3 busted tractors you did not ask for a refund and go elsewhere prior to that dealership going under? I'm thinking something like 3 strikes and your out?

Do you actually still own this thing? Are you keeping it as a reminder of what not to buy?

If it were mine, I'd either fix it myself and use it, or sell it to someone disclosing all it's problems and cut my losses, then get a brand of tractor with the level of functionality and support you expect to reduced my blood pressure and move on. I would think there is someone out there who is resourceful and could fix it, then be perfectly happy. Are you punishing yourself on purpose by keeping this tractor? Just wondering.

I do have to hand it to you for being consistent in your crusade against Lenar. You would think it would be in their best interest to purchase this back from you and end all this misery.

Larry