New guy here, just booted off of Tractorbynet

[FlyHiFlyLo]

harryg said:

Patrick,
I just feel you have a hard-on for Lenar after reading all your readings.

No shit.

Patrick, How long did it take for Joe on Chinese Tractor Owner's Club Forum to give you the boot???

[bracabric]

Quicksandfarmer (12/3/2008)
"Come along with me" said the Black Rabbit.

Dick

[hick11h1369]

Hello guys,

I am working on photo bucket, but thinking it might be easier to just put them in flickr for you all to see. Photo bucket would make it nice to be able to put the pics in the threads.

For those of you that think I have a hard on for Lenar, You are right. A little about myself. I am a Millwright and a Welder and there isnt much I cant do. I also am a man of my word. I have worked on the Lenar myself on several occasions. No, they are not that complicated, it is just a gear box. The reason I still have it, is I could not possibly sell it to anyone in good faith. I feel that if I took it to the scrap yard, I still should have to pay them to take it from me. When I recieved my last phone call from a fella having problems with his Lenar, I started hitting the net and all the tractor boards. What I found is Lenar is still leaving their customers holding the bag. I dont know how many Lenars are sold but it would seem to me that if there are 20 people with problems with the tractor and the company, how many more out there that have been victomized by Lenar. I know there are some owners out there that dont use the puter, dont know about these tractor boards and are for the moment the quiet problems. I didnt know about these boards until I got on here looking for answers. I have found that the internet can be a very useful thing. Truth be told, where there are Lenar dealers, I am sure they do the very best to keep their customers satisfied. Just think of the pain in the ass a customer could be to a local dealer if he were having the troubles I have experienced. My dealer went out of business, partially due to his fault and partially due to Lenars. Lets face it, any one of you out there, buying a new tractor, if the dealer is friendly and at the time willing to make everything right for you, you would work with him in resolving the problems. Which is what I did. I will admit, after the third one breaking in half, I was fed up. It broke in half while I was brush hogging with it. Was it due to the mounting of the loader or the faulty casting of the bell housing. The new ones are made differently. I didnt care, at this point it is 4 months after the sale, I never went over 100 hours on any of the first three without a break down, one of which the tractor sat for a month and a half waiting for the dealer to fix it or replace it. I really wanted out of the deal. In Michigan, there is no lemon law on AG equiptment. Lord knows I wanted out, but Jim did bring me a tractor and frustration gave in to a man that was trying to make things right.

What irritates me now is, I am going to work on this thing, I will find what is causing the tractor to over heat. I will probably need a new head if it is cracked, and I will go over the engine, trying to figure out why it is oil soaked. I will probably go thru the electircal, replace the wire fuses with standard automotive fuses.( By the way, do any of you have a tractor that uses wire as fuses. I mean it is like a piece of plastic with a couple of inches of wire wrapped around it, and you thread the wire across two contact points. When it gets blown, you just unwrap a coil or so, re thread it, and move on.) I will probably have to pay for the parts, regardless of the fact that these were problems I had when the warranty was in place.

The main reason I have not done so, is because I was expecting to be moved from Michigan due to my plant closing, I was going to take that tractor with me like a poster child of what not to buy.

Some of you think that would be wrong and that my hard on for Lenar is unjust. I am sorry that we do not agree on this. I would like to compile a list of consumers that have these tractors and document what problems they have had. I would then like to see our gov either make Lenar raise the quality of these machines or stop importing them all together and do a recall. The distributor for my area of the US was asked for a list of his customers, and he would not provide one. Why is that??? If his customers were happy, he would have nothing to hide. Does anyone know if there is a way to get a list of the consumers that bought a Lenar? It would be interesting to see what others have to say other than the ones I have found on the net.


Patrick Webb


Before the Lenar Tractor, there were shovels and mules, now the jackasses are driving the Lenars.

[FlyHiFlyLo]

Pat, well said.

I had a question, did you ever post on CTOCF???

[3RRL]

Patrick,
Sorry to hear about your crappy tractor (again), since I read a couple of your posts on TBN before they were deleted. But never read the whole story. What a nightmare!

( By the way, do any of you have a tractor that uses wire as fuses. I mean it is like a piece of plastic with a couple of inches of wire wrapped around it, and you thread the wire across two contact points. When it gets blown, you just unwrap a coil or so, re thread it, and move on.)
Yes, my 2005 Kama554 had fuses like that. Larry came out (his first visit) and replaced them with an automotive fuse box and fuses for me.
Rob-

[Artrac]

An important lesson in Patricks problems is to have confidence in the dealer who sells you a tractor as he is the one ultimately responsible for the package deal. The dealer in michigan who sold patrick this tractor, as I recall, got fed up and walked away from the business. At that time Lenar was distributed by Mazama products in Oregon, and at that time, we had just moved away from Lenar in favor of importing KAMA branded tractors direct from China. The dealer probably had some liability that no one persued because Mazamas warranty specifically states tha the dealer is a party to the warranty (unlike most tractor companies). I will say that I never saw 40 percent profit margins, not even half that. The tractor manufacturer has no control over selection of loader to install on the tractor, the Leon and that other loader did not have 3 point (front mid and rear axle) mounting, generally required when using a loader on these tractors. Expecting the distriubtor in Texas (who inherited this particular problem when they took on USA rights to lenar as Mazama faded away) to stand behind loaders that a previous distributor's dealer installed is a bit of a streatch. It would be like asking Ford or chevy to warrant damage caused by an incorrectly engineered 3rd party trailer hitch. the factory Jaingling Tractor Works, was sold to Mahindra about 3 years ago and the tractor (much improved) is now sold at mahindra dealers in the USA. I don't have a dog in this fight and I am not defending anyone, but these are facts that must be weighed as each reader of these posts makes his own judgment. Current tractors sold by Lenar are made by Dongfeng. I am not really aware if Lenar is still activily importing or not at this time.

Failsafe will pay for approved repairs, even if a shop cannot be found to accept failsafe as a payment source, they will, with pre approval usually refund the customer directly.

Most succesfull ownership experiences with chinese tractors result from either having good dealer support or knowing that you have none at all up front. Fly by night dealers have caused the greatest number of problems for owners. Just one dealers opinion....

[Ranch Hand]

Apr 20, 2008 10:12:46 GMT -5 Artrac said:

Fly by night dealers have caused the greatest number of problems for owners. Just one dealers opinion....

Lord, ain't that the truth.

Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply