Banjo Torques?????

[roy697]

Hello

Looking for torque on the banjo bolts. Return fuel lines on my ft 404 3 cyclinder. Their are at least 3 different sizes. Looked in the book but not finding it. Any charts out there?

Thanks

[PJ]

I've never torqued them, just tightened them up with a short wrench, just to keep from doing that. I do make sure I use new copper or crush washers, what ever it calls for.

You are talking about this type right?





Or, this type by Aeroquip?

[roy697]

Yes the first 2. My friend Nick, diesel mechanic for 30 years, came over & we put the fuel return lines that I got from Tommy on. No torque just snug them up, reused the old washers for now. Before I put a lot of money into it I wanted to make sure it would run.



The line fit great with one little problem, the end that went to the fuel tank was short & a different size line, 1/4 & the fuel tank is 5/16. It also had a banjo fitting, took that off & one trip to the auto parts fixed that. Put about 9 quarts oil in the crankcase, shows on the stick, I need to add a little more but in checking it out the primer was frozen. Took it apart, cleaned it a little put it back together, fueled the tank up with about 4 gal diesel, put 7+ gallons of diesel in the rear gearbox again, checked for leaks, no leaks. Primed every thing & cranked the starter over, bleed the lines & it fired up.



Now for the hoses, radiator, batterys (2-12volt or 2-6volt), steering wheel, ect............
That is Nick in the picture.
BUT it runs now.

[3RRL]

Woah, that's great news Roy. I'll bet that was a relief?
I use "Stat-O-Seals for all my banjo bolt seals. I use them instead of copper so I don't end up tightening them too much. The Stat-O-Seals have an "O" ring molded to the inside of an Aluminum washer. Here is a link to them:

Stat-O-Seals

But I get mine at MacMaster Carr. A Little more reasonable in price.
They have both English and Metric sizes available up to 16mm bolts. They come in 10 and 5 packs, so I bought almost all the sizes except the first small ones. I need to get some 18mm ones for a couple hydraulic fittings though. I didn't think to ask if they do, indeed have them. Sometimes they carry stuff that's not listed in their catalog.
Rob-

[roy697]

If I need to replace what I have I may go that route. The only leak at this point was a banjo fitting that we did not mess with.

I was unable top find oil & fuel filters locally. I am sure this is something everyone is looking for at a reasonable price. I will be needing some so before I call & order them, where do you go for them?

[3RRL]

Jan 21, 2010 23:22:19 GMT -5 roy697 said:

If I need to replace what I have I may go that route. The only leak at this point was a banjo fitting that we did not mess with.

I was unable top find oil & fuel filters locally. I am sure this is something everyone is looking for at a reasonable price. I will be needing some so before I call & order them, where do you go for them?

First, you need to verify the thread on the spin-on filters for your tractor.
They have been known to vary between Metric and SAE. Once you do that, you can search the web for compatible filters. In my case, I found that Tommy sells the fuel and hydraulic filters at a reasonable price. Just order a case of each from him. I did find a good source (Baldwin online) for oil filters with better specs and a larger filter than stock, so I buy a case at a time for that.
Rob-

[r2]

Jan 22, 2010 12:33:55 GMT -5 3RRL said:

Jan 21, 2010 23:22:19 GMT -5 roy697 said:

If I need to replace what I have I may go that route. The only leak at this point was a banjo fitting that we did not mess with.

I was unable top find oil & fuel filters locally. I am sure this is something everyone is looking for at a reasonable price. I will be needing some so before I call & order them, where do you go for them?

First, you need to verify the thread on the spin-on filters for your tractor.
They have been known to vary between Metric and SAE. Once you do that, you can search the web for compatible filters. In my case, I found that Tommy sells the fuel and hydraulic filters at a reasonable price. Just order a case of each from him. I did find a good source (Baldwin online) for oil filters with better specs and a larger filter than stock, so I buy a case at a time for that.
Rob-

Do you have the URL to the Baldwin online store?

[3RRL]

Jan 22, 2010 13:44:44 GMT -5 r2 said:

Jan 22, 2010 12:33:55 GMT -5 3RRL said:

First, you need to verify the thread on the spin-on filters for your tractor.
They have been known to vary between Metric and SAE. Once you do that, you can search the web for compatible filters. In my case, I found that Tommy sells the fuel and hydraulic filters at a reasonable price. Just order a case of each from him. I did find a good source (Baldwin online) for oil filters with better specs and a larger filter than stock, so I buy a case at a time for that.
Rob-

Do you have the URL to the Baldwin online store?

Hello r2,
Welcome to our little club.
Take a minute to introduce yourself and tell us what kind of tractor you have. Hope you find the forum a great place to visit.

Here is the link to the thread about oil filters for my wife's 284 Jinma.
Replacement Oil Filter for Jinma 284 with 22mm x 1.5 Thread
Her filter head has 20mm x 1.5 threads. The normal cross over would be a Napa 1381, but I found a larger filter, same or better filtration from Baldwin.
It is a Baldwin B202.
The link is in that thread, but here it is again: Baldwin Catalog Lookup
Type in B202 and it gives you the price for one or the case price ... which is what I buy. It's quite a bit more reasonable since shipping for one is almost as much for a case of 12.
If you want to find the specs on the filter, click "Catalog Lookup" on the left column under the Icon.
Then click where it says "Do you have an OEM or Manufacturer part number and need the Baldwing filter number?" A new screen appears and type in B202 and click find. Another screen will appear with 3 choices ... click on the B202 one and all the specs of the filter will appear.

I've been able to chase down cross ref filters that way to be sure they fit our tractors. It seems to be the most reasonable price I've found yet, and Baldwin filters are pretty good quality filters.
Hope that helps,
Rob-

[PJ]

Jan 22, 2010 13:44:44 GMT -5 r2 said:

Jan 22, 2010 12:33:55 GMT -5 3RRL said:

First, you need to verify the thread on the spin-on filters for your tractor.
They have been known to vary between Metric and SAE. Once you do that, you can search the web for compatible filters. In my case, I found that Tommy sells the fuel and hydraulic filters at a reasonable price. Just order a case of each from him. I did find a good source (Baldwin online) for oil filters with better specs and a larger filter than stock, so I buy a case at a time for that.
Rob-

Do you have the URL to the Baldwin online store?

Roy, Check with your local NAPA dealer for a filter with the proper thread. If you can take the old filter with you or find a bolt or a fitting that will screw into the filter, take it with you. NAPA does sell filters with metric threads. You just need to know the right size. Once you find the right filter, you can replace them at most auto parts stores. PJ

[roy697]

Thanks
I did check with our local NAPA place & they took some time to do some checking.......... But they could not find a way to cross ref. them. 1)-don't know what the working pressure is. 2)-micron of filter. At that point I decided to go with factory for now. Maybe after I get this thing back to working order I may work on that again.
Got bad new about the radiator, it's going to cost $300 to repair mine. Replacement was $400 plus shipping. Stay warm.

Roy

[red]

Roy did you check to see if auto parts store had similar size rad in stock? Remember when replacing the radiator in 95' Taurus that it was $200 and looked exactly the same as Ford but Made in China. Know a lot of guys use crossover parts for quality and price reasons. Great job so far in restoring your tractor! Good luck -Ed

[roy697]

I have a radiator shop checking on a replacement.

Thanks

[roy697]

Well the radiator is being rebuilt. Should have it in a day or 2.

[roy697]

Radiator is here now the work begins.

[roy697]

Radiator is in with new hoses & holding antifreeze. I posted picture on the link for Repairing Cast Iron.
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