quikduk
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Post by quikduk on Feb 12, 2008 11:22:16 GMT -5
How many of you guys/gals have purchased spare parts for your Jinma (or other Chinese tractor)?
Which parts do you see as mandatory versus optional?
I don't have the $ now but am thinking that these should be mandatory.
- hydraulic pumps (hydraulics and steering) - clutch assembly - brake lining/spring assembly - injection pump - injectors
I hesitate to plunk down serious money for these items and these should be durable enough to never not need them but...
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GuglioLS
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Post by GuglioLS on Feb 12, 2008 12:06:10 GMT -5
Ken,
That's a good shopping list for spares. I would add -
Water Pump Hydraulic pump rebuild kit Steering cylinder rebuild kit Steering cylinder dust boot TPH cylinder rebuild kit Oil pressure sending unit Tach pickup sensor Clutch safety switch Steering knuckles (left and right) Starter motor
Of course if you have all this stuff on hand plus the items you already listed, none of them will ever fail or have to be replaced.
Two years ago when I visited Tommy at Affordable Tractor, I picked everything that's on these two lists except the clutch pack.
All this stuff adds up pretty quickly, maybe cheaper to just buy another tractor and use it as a spare.
Larry
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Post by affordable on Feb 12, 2008 16:00:35 GMT -5
Ken, why spend your money on spare parts just sitting around.?? That's why we are here I have about 250K-300K in Jinma parts on the shelf from O-rings to complete engines.We are a phone call away and if you need it next day we can send it to you that way.We are not going anywhere and when we first started selling Jinma I could understand why owners wanted spare parts because there were not many in stock other than the common parts,well things have changed and parts are here.I will be more than willing to sell you all the parts you need,but in my opinion I would save the money until you needed something.Just my 2-cents Tommy Affordable Tractor Sales www.affordabletractorsalesco.com
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psj12
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Post by psj12 on Feb 12, 2008 16:39:49 GMT -5
I feel the fear of not having future parts support. I have an English tractor (Nuffield) that was cheap and available in the mid 60s but quickly died out along with all the parts support. I keep it running with expensive imported parts for what was originally an economy tractor. I also bought a larger Kama (554) that the dealer stilll supports but no longer imports the tractor. Buisness being buisness, I fear that when it becomes no longer profitable to do so, the support will dry up or become very expensive. I too am working on a list of parts I will need to support the Kama. That being said I don't feel that with the large number of Jinmas imported that parts support will dry up for quite some time.
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Post by baknblack on Feb 12, 2008 18:00:17 GMT -5
I feel the fear of not having future parts support. I feel it to. And, it's very possible some of the chinese brands will go the way of the old oliver tractors. The only way you can get parts for them now is junk yards or have em custom made. The Y485 is a common engine, It's in some of the newer jinmas and a lot of chinese gensets. my kama liftbox is the same as some early model 354 jinmas with draft control. I think Chip or Tommy will be able to always get parts for the Kamas as long as they are still making them but, in the future it may cost a premium price. I'm sure the injector pumps and injectors are clones of someone elses design. If we only knew who.
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Post by bracabric on Feb 12, 2008 18:51:35 GMT -5
PSJ12, The British Nuffield Tractor was never a success,they never got to make the quantities that would make it profitable and sustain development. Our neighbor (in the UK ) in the '60s had a couple and used to say that (when they were going) they "would not pull the skin of a rice pudding" . Re, spare parts, the dealership I bought my Jinma 354 off said he had been importing tractors and agricultural stuff from China for 25 years, so don't see a big problem with parts for many years if ever.
Dick
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carld
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Post by carld on Feb 21, 2008 16:21:18 GMT -5
When my friend bought my tractor new it came with a blue metal box with spare parts in it. I guess somewhere along the way they quit doing that. I still have the box and have only used the spare bulbs so far. The tractor is a 2000 or 2001 and I haven't needed many parts so far. It has about 675 hrs on it now.
The parts are not hard to get as Affordable said.
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3RRL
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Post by 3RRL on Feb 21, 2008 18:06:32 GMT -5
Ken, Interesting thread. So your list represents a list you feel as "mandatory" to have as spares, right? Looks to me that's a lot of $$ to have lying around? Maybe I'm wrong, but so far the parts I've needed were readily available from dealers leading up to a reasonable down time before they arrive. I mean it would be great to have "the" spare part you needed when it broke, but heck, that might be a guessing game.
The only major thing I've broken was the front drive reduction miter gears. I got them out of China and didn't even ask if Chip had them in stock or not? The other breaks were minor, like tie rod ends for my Kama 554. I've broken 2 of them (same side). And really the 2nd break was where I welded the 1st broken one. Chip sent me replacements within a week. Now I have about 3 spares for each side.
I also broke an upper lift arm (my own fault due to the giant side link hyd cyls I put on and I cut them to clear) otherwise they might not have failed. I also bent my lower drag links by pushing in reverse, but straightened out myself. The other stuff was electrical that Larry fixed mostly due to bad grounds.
So my recommendations would be to have spare -belts and hoses -gaskets or gasket material -fuses or alternate electrical fuses/switches -spare tires and tubes maybe
The reason I say that, for me at least, is if I had a major break down or clutch go out, I would still need to make time to work on the tractor to fix it. For me, allocating that time is a big deal. The little stuff I can see you make time right then to replace, like a hose, fuse or belt. But the major mechanical stuff would need an allocated time slot to get to anyway. lol ... I think the dealers we have supporting us would get me the parts before I got time to install them. Rob-
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red
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Post by red on Feb 21, 2008 18:12:40 GMT -5
When my friend bought my tractor new it came with a blue metal box with spare parts in it. I guess somewhere along the way they quit doing that. They are still doing it (spare parts) in a tool box when I got my Jinma 2007 284 it came with a tool box and a red plastic tool box with most of the wrenches need to assemble it. It was a crate deal. I could see if it is assembled by a dealer and the parts don't make it to the customer. -Ed
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quikduk
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Post by quikduk on Feb 21, 2008 18:37:17 GMT -5
Thank you all for the responses. I am thinking that you are right re: the positive future availability. It is just with all the anti-Chinese sentiment going around these days, one wrong person in the govnt. could mess this up potentially.
I feel that my money is better kept in hand until needed and I am fairly sure that Tommy, Ronald, Eric or Scott could get me replacements fairly quickly.
Rob, I am with you. It would take me at least a week or two to find the time to fix it anyway so there really isn't a rush.
I have "used" mine fairly hard, not like Rob but still fairly hard. I have caught myself doing heavy FEL work in 4WD but then again, that is WHY I bought a 4WD so most of the time it stays there. I don't have the lengthy steep slopes like Rob or Larry but I do have a few that are steep and off camber enough to make me extra carefull. I have even gotten the 354 on the front axle only when I slid forward into the streambed when the bank gave way.
I will just keep a watchfull eye on things and worry about other stuff I have no control over.
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carld
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Post by carld on Feb 22, 2008 15:19:48 GMT -5
If I had to I could make almost all the parts for my tractor except the castings, ball and roller bearings, alt, etc.
I could make the shafts, gears, bushings, etc. if needed or forced to. Fuel pump, injectors and stuff of that sort I would have to buy if I could not make repair parts.
If I thought no parts would be available I would have to determine what to buy and do so fast because many others would do the same. I now have more parts than I hope to ever need.
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Post by linus69 on Feb 24, 2008 9:08:16 GMT -5
When I broke two beveled drive gears in my Jinma`s left front "Hog Head" I called Affordable a little before noon on a Saturday, I had the parts in hand that Monday morning and that was using their standard shipping method. That`s great customer service, extremely rare to find nowadays.
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Post by affordable on Feb 24, 2008 21:41:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the business linus69,we try to work hard for your business,I understand when your tractor is down you need the parts as soon as you can get them to get you back up and running.We are a phone call or e-mail away if you need anything We are supplying alot of dealers with spare parts now,they would rather have there money in tractor inventory,and just call us for parts Thanks again Tommy Affordable Tractor Sales www.affordabletractorsalesco.com
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Post by torgysbuick on Mar 17, 2008 13:56:39 GMT -5
As a side note, I just picked up my 12/07 tractor and it didn't come with any spare parts. I suppose it is likely the assembler just kept them, as I got a good price, but that seems pretty underhanded.
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Post by bracabric on Mar 17, 2008 17:32:09 GMT -5
Hi Torgy and welcome. My Jinma 354 was pre assembled as I bought it from a Dealer and I had very few tools and no spares with it. I had one filter wrench and two circlip pliers? (I know thats spelled wrong) I assume that the dealer put the other stuff on a shelf in the parts store, I hit him pretty hard on the price and you can't have everything can you? Oh also had a dreadful red tool box made out of a thin tin can it seems, that I wish they had kept!
Dick
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