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Post by linus69 on Jan 19, 2011 8:22:00 GMT -5
I got a Chinese 10hp diesel generator off a chicken farmer who bought two of them last March for his hatchery. He paid $2200 a piece for them in a semi shady cash deal. He powers his hatchery with one (6000 chickens) and had this one in a shed un-used as an emergency backup.He has been using the other one every day since March and has not had any problems, he needed cash so he put the this one up on Ebay, it ran three auction cycles but he mislisted the power ratings and it didn`t sell. I think his whole story seemed unbelievable and people didn`t trust his auction, I got an email to him and we spoke by phone and struck a deal, he was 98miles away in Beavertown PA. His hatchery was on a mountain side with a switchback ice covered dirt road up the mountain. There were chickens everywhere you looked, beautiful birds too. He was an Abe Lincoln type, very honest guy and his story was totally true, the unit was absolutely brand new and unused. The unit was stone cold on a 12deg day and it started up no problem. It is really rated at 5000 continuous Watts and 6500 Watts surge power. It is of course made in China and is a chinese clone of a Yanmar diesel engine, it ran well and is 120 and 220 volts. He gave me the original purchase papers and it still is under warranty until this March.It will be able to run the house in an emergency power outage including the wellpump, I was able to get it for $900. This is a link to the generator.. www.apachepowerindustrial.com/category/diesel-generator     Paul |
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Post by roy697 on Jan 19, 2011 21:51:33 GMT -5
I was looking at one a few months ago on ebay but I am not quite ready to turn loose of that much cash yet. Electric start? I think if I buy one I want one that has the remote start like they put on cars, because I will be in a camper. Looks like you bagged a great deal.
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Post by linus69 on Jan 20, 2011 19:19:04 GMT -5
The generator manufacturer recommends a 20hr no load/low load breakin period for this unit and I so far have 10hrs of no load operation accomplished. I finally got around to cleaning the existing fuel out of the tank and replacing it with fresh fuel. The diesel engine runs like a top, seems to get smoother the more it runs.   Paul |
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Post by red on Jan 21, 2011 10:40:52 GMT -5
Wow, what a Score! You'll be glad to know that now that you have the Generator you will not have any more power outages. ;D Brought mine about 3 yrs ago and haven't had opportunity to use it. (Powermate 5000 w 9hp Gas Subaru) Still fire it up every 3-4 months, just to be prepared. Wondering what the diesel consumption would be vs gas. Know my Craftsman GT 5000 for the grass is a hog compared to the Jinma 284. Easily go through a gallon an hour (of gas) just cutting grass.
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Post by GuglioLS on Jan 22, 2011 12:30:19 GMT -5
Paul,
You always get the good deals. I'm gonna ask if you can start buying all my stuff from now on.
Fuel usage should be very efficient. I'm in agreement with Ed - My 17 HP riding mower sucks more fuel than my 35 HP Gas Ford tractor. The Jinma is a diesel fuel miser by comparison. Ive got a ~ 20 year old 10KW gas generator that comes in very handy when we loose power. It will run just about everything except the central Air, but our power mostly goes out in the winter so that's never been a problem.
Larry
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Post by Rich Waugh on Jan 22, 2011 15:04:15 GMT -5
Since I live in the land of temporary power, I have two generators - one for the house and one for the shop. I bought a pair of Chinese 10kw gas generators from Max Tool a couple of years ago and have been pretty pleased with them. They do get a workout wiht our hurricanes and other excuses for the local utility to cease delivery. The engine is a knock-off of a Honda from what I can tell. One of them has gotten hard to start and I think it may have gotten out of time, but I can probably take care of it if I get over being so lazy. Takes a lot of cranking and then backfires before it finally starts so I'm guess it's out of time, anyway. Small engines are a bit of a mystery to me. Hell, big engines are a a bit of a mystery, too!  I'd love to have a big diesel genset for the quiet and dependability but I can't afford one. I don't find great deals like Paul and Larry do. ;D Rich |
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Post by roy697 on Jan 23, 2011 19:46:09 GMT -5
I saw one on ebay that has a remote start like on a car. If I don't get power run to my pole barn this year I may be looking to buy one.
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Post by linus69 on Jan 29, 2011 14:28:07 GMT -5
I decided to change the oil sooner than the 20hrs that Apache recommends and did it at 11hrs. I`m more than glad I did because what came out looked more than ready to be changed. The screen oil filter really didn`t have much in the way of metal shavings/debris on it. The break-in period continues and soon I will start putting a light load on it for the rest of the day. While I was at it I decided to do the oil in the tractor too, it was also ready to be changed.    Paul |
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Post by linus69 on Jan 30, 2011 17:20:34 GMT -5
Well I started with a light load of 500 watts and eventually brought it up to 1700 watts. These loads did not strain the generator in the least of cause any deflection in the meter. At aprox. 20hrs I noticed that the generator had stopped producing power, the diesel was running great but no power output at all. I opened the front panel and found everything is done Chinese-Cheap, everything is mostly done with spade connectors and they were very loose. Almost like the assembler had used a small screwdriver to spread them open so they would slip on easily. I went over everything making tight connections by going over every connector, the wiring work is quite reminiscent of whats under my Jimna`s dash, very shoddy. I opened an access hatch on the back of the unit and found what I hope is the problem. A crescent shaped capacitor has suffered a failure/meltdown, in fact the male part of the spade came out of the cap. Of course I`m searching for the part via the info on it and I`m having no luck finding one. Tomorrow I`ll try calling Apache and see what they have to say about their warranty, which should still be good till March, but I have a feeling I`m gonna be on my own.     Paul |
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Post by Rich Waugh on Jan 30, 2011 19:13:11 GMT -5
Paul,
I've never seen a capacitor shaped like that. Did it have just two leads hooked to it? Strange indeed. I hope you have some luck with Apache.
Rich
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Post by roy697 on Jan 30, 2011 23:44:37 GMT -5
I'm with Rich, I have never seen one shaped like that. Are you sure it's a capacitor? If indeed it is maybe you can get the specifications & cross reference it to something more common. (side note, a friend of mine bought a almost new gas gen set that had no output, yes a capacitor was the problem, he ordered a new one & replaced it. Now it works fine. Hope that takes care of your problem)
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Post by mrmikey on Jan 31, 2011 4:39:58 GMT -5
Like Roy said. I don't even think I'd bother with the OE I'd go right to a local electrical supplier and match the specs. It looks as if they're quite legable on the old cap.
I think I'd be replacing those spade connectors with lugs and screws or even soldering them if possable
I'm wondering if a bad/intermittent connection caused your cap to overheat....Mike
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Post by linus69 on Jan 31, 2011 7:23:17 GMT -5
I`ve been searching and on Ebay I found this one that is very similar to mine, I too have never seen capacitors that looked like this. The shape is identical and it also has just two leads coming off it. cgi.ebay.com/Generac-Generator-0G84440101-Capacitor-/230535089016?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35acf64b78I also agree with Mike that OE might not be the way to go, unless Apache is willing to honor their warranty, I`d be willing to bet that they will not, but I`ll try to get a call through to their customer service dept. later today. I hope this failure was caused by loose spade connections on the cap and not an inherent problem with the gen set. As all the spade connectors elsewhere were very loose and sloppy this is very possibly the reason for the failure. The specs. off the cap are... DIANZ E183428 CBB61SHD8 12uF + 5%C 450V AC 50/60hz 25/70/21 PO Dianz has no web site and I find "lots" of some of their caps on Ebay but I can`t find any like this one. If anyone has a lead on where to get an equivalent replacement I`d appreciate it. Paul |
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Post by Rich Waugh on Jan 31, 2011 9:05:31 GMT -5
Well, any 12mf @450v capacitor should work, Paul. If you can't find the exact replacement I'd try a regular round can-type and see if your generator resumes output. That Generac capacitor has over twice the capacitance of the one on your unit so I wouldn't recommend swapping it.
Rich
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Post by linus69 on Jan 31, 2011 10:38:16 GMT -5
Well just got off the phone with Apache Power and the fellow I spoke with could not have been nicer. He said a lot of these caps have failed just like mine and we must have spoke for 10 minutes about problems common to Chinese tractors and Chinese generators.
He agrees about the loose and crappy spade connectors,he sees that all the time. Also he said the oil they put in is crap and I was wise to change it sooner than 20hrs. He said they are working to address the problems with the manufacturer in China, and they are starting to address the problems on their end by correcting what they find.
Anyway he said he would get a new cap out to me and hopefully I`ll be back in business again.
Paul
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