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Post by linus69 on Apr 5, 2011 7:50:51 GMT -5
If you can stand the minimum three month wait after you Preorder this is an amazing price at $289, with the shipping it`s $310.98 www.ombexpress.com/p_SW233.aspxPaul |
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Post by Rich Waugh on Apr 5, 2011 8:24:18 GMT -5
Definitely a good price if you meet the criteria of being active-duty LEO or similar. I just don't think that a 380 has sufficient stopping power to make me feel very secure - I'll stick with my little Glock .40. I know firsthand that it will stop someone.
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Post by linus69 on Apr 5, 2011 8:35:34 GMT -5
Completely agree there Rich, my main carry is a 3rd Generation Glock 17 with night sights, but I could not resist this, I like it for a pocket gun. There are times the Glock isn`t practical, I also think it would be good for the wife`s purse. With a 3 month wait it is like putting a gun on "Layaway".
Paul
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Post by Rich Waugh on Apr 6, 2011 7:51:53 GMT -5
I carried a Glock 17 for a few years when I was working in uniform then went to the 19 when I was in the detective bureau for a decade or so. When we switched to the .40 I was in administration and opted to buy my own Glock 27 so I could take it with me when I retired. I rarely carry it at all these days, but when I do it's compact enough to conceal easily and I know it has the stopping power I desire.
Mostly I depend on my winning smile and quick wit to disarm potential troublemakers. (grin)
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Post by linus69 on Apr 6, 2011 20:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by carld on Apr 23, 2011 14:37:08 GMT -5
If they can sell it to cops for $299 why can't they sell it to everyone for $299?  Just how many times do you have to shoot someone to subdue them? Many cops feel you have to use at least a full magazine to stop someone but I don't think so. A 380 doesn't have enough stopping power? Just how far do you think most gun fights are done at? Hell, I mostly carry a .25 Beretta that my grandmother carried and feel just fine with it. I have 9 hollow point shots to distract them as I go for a head or neck shot. Most gun fights are at about +/-15 feet and if I can't hit a head size target at that distance I would be ashamed of myself. Who says you have to back up as you shoot, just go in for the kill if you have to. If you have to use more than three rounds perhaps you need some practice. Of course, if they have body armour on you will have to get a head shot as they are falling backward from the two shots to center of body. In any case, you need practice. I prefer my Chief Special thank you but the .25 Beretta is light and compact. |
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Post by Rich Waugh on Apr 24, 2011 11:00:00 GMT -5
Well, I base my opinions on personal experience. I spent thirty years in law enforcement and had more than just one street encounter that convinced me. As an aside, when I was a range master for two departments I quit teaching the "two to center of mass and one to the head." I saw that most of the head shots ended up being flyers, due to muzzle climb exacerbated by raising the point of aim. I switched to training two to center of mass and the third to the groin. It's a bigger target, almost always unprotected, and much more likely to be actually hit as the weapon is pulled down for that shot. The change made a significant difference in percentage of lethal shots fired. The stats do support the fact that most encounters occur under about 12 feet or so. What is important about those stats is the number of shots fired versus number of hits. Those numbers indicate that it is much harder to hit someone when they are actually shooting at you than it is to hit a paper target. Practice and experience are the only cures for that - having had both, I recommend practice rather than experience, for obvious reasons. While I have very little faith in the small caliber defense weapons, I will say that if a situation happens it is much better to have a .25 in your pocket than just a set of car keys and loose change.  Rich |
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Post by linus69 on Apr 25, 2011 7:04:33 GMT -5
Well the Bride has finally decided to get her carry permit and we decided on a Chief Special for her first handgun. I hope arming a female in Menopause was a good idea.   Paul |
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Post by Rich Waugh on Apr 25, 2011 11:26:50 GMT -5
Excellent choice for a first handgun, Paul. The Chief is compact enough to carry easily and has sufficient stopping power to be effective when/if needed. Of course, wheel guns are nice and simple with nothing to have to remember except point of aim and smooth trigger pull - no worries about safeties, dirt, pocket lint, etc. If she can hit the target at 15 yards with the Chief she's doing great. I've had a Chief for forty years now and will never get rid of it. It's my wife's house gun, loaded with frangible rounds.
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Post by linus69 on Apr 27, 2011 7:25:27 GMT -5
All the gun people I spoke to are in total agreement with what you said Rich. In fact I took quite a shine to it myself, and have another Chief Special this one in stainless on hold at my friends gun shop.
He took it out to show it to me and quoted me a price I could not say no to, I hope to pick it up next week. Tonight will be the wifes first good handgun lesson at a range, the most avid handgun guy at my hunting club will be the one teaching her.
He has the patience of a statue and looks like and sounds like Mr. Rogers, he could narrate childrens books with his soft spoken voice and manners. She will also spend some time practicing with the "Home Defense" 12 gauge I made out of an old Remington 1100.
I trimmed a used barrel my gun shop friend got me to 18 1/4ins and added a light for after dark, it patterns very nicely.
Paul
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Post by roy697 on Apr 27, 2011 15:29:36 GMT -5
I was looking for something inexpensive for carrying. I ran across a 38 derringer that is small enough to carry easily. Only 2 shots but by then what ever was going on will be over anyhow. www.cobrapistols.net/product-big-bore-derringers.aspMine is black. Went to the range & put a few rounds through it & it is only a close range deterrent. I was able to pick this up for $100 |
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Post by bobrooks on Apr 27, 2011 23:45:52 GMT -5
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Post by roy697 on Apr 28, 2011 11:18:46 GMT -5
Yes I did look into those. Pretty impressive. Weight was one down side but the big problem I had was the cost. If you have one, great. I find it hard to believe that so many people are willing to be easy victims because some one told them the police will take care of them.
Roy
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Post by carld on May 7, 2011 18:33:24 GMT -5
I have to agree with you Rich, a .25 is very minimal but it's light and compact.
I have a blue Chief that I have owned and carried since 1968. I also have the blue Chief my uncle carried since 1954 in his pocket. It is worn smooth and almost no bluing left. Both are loaded with hollow points.
I fell in love with the Chief when I first saw my uncles in the late 1950's and finally bought one.
My uncle carried a M1911 .45 until he got the Chief.
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