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Post by GuglioLS on May 6, 2008 0:50:48 GMT -5
I see your going hog wild with the tubing bender. A skill I wish I had. I usually just bend the snot out of it till it collapse or breaks, then use hydraulic hose. What is that tubing? where did you get it? What fittings are you using on the tubing ends? Nice job, you got one more week to finish ;D
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Post by quikduk on May 6, 2008 9:44:31 GMT -5
Hahaha!!! This was supposed to be a 1-2 day job but with the breaks for work and family stuff, it is turning into a 1-3 week job. The tubing is 1/2" OD (3/8" ID) seamless steel tubing I sourced from a local hyd. shop. The fittings are JIC8F nuts. I have some with a backing sleeve that has a JIC flare to "back-up" the tubing flare and some where the flare is built into the nut itself. Even with that big manual bender, you have to use some pressure and strength to bend the tubing. I wish I could have afforded a JIC tubing flaring tool but they are about $245-$300 so I am using a very good SAE flaring tool. This however puts a 45 degree flare on the end so I have not been flaring the tubing fully in the tool. This gets me closer to the 37 degree angle. When the nut is tightened fully on the steel fitting, there is no movement so the tubing should seal well. Three different hyd. shops have confirmed this. If it doesn't work out, I will re-make the tubes and buy a JIC tool...
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Post by 3RRL on May 6, 2008 13:07:56 GMT -5
so I am using a very good SAE flaring tool. This however puts a 45 degree flare on the end so I have not been flaring the tubing fully in the tool. This gets me closer to the 37 degree angle.
Actually, you are not getting closer to 37°. Even a "little" flare with a 45° tool will give you a "little" 45° angle. So now you are sealing against one circle around the diameter... one point touching, not the entire surface. Any jiggling of that connection and you lose that one circle point of contact. So be careful with that.
What does that flaring tool look like? If it's something that can be modified, why don't you bring it over to my shop and I can surface grind it to exactly 37° for you? Rob-
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Post by quikduk on May 6, 2008 18:29:58 GMT -5
I borrowed it from my FIL. I am looking at getting my own. If so, I may take you up on that. We would have to grind both the die and inner flare tip but it should be no problem.
I think the 45 will be ok but not ideal. I will have to decide if I want to forge on or wait a bit plus I would have to re-make the front lines but not really too big of a PITA now.
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Post by 3RRL on May 7, 2008 12:10:04 GMT -5
Are we still meeting for lunch at ONO today? If so, bring that tool along.
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Post by 3RRL on May 12, 2008 20:55:55 GMT -5
Duk, What's happening with your grapple project now? Is it on hold again?
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Post by quikduk on May 13, 2008 10:10:01 GMT -5
Not on hold Rob, just that the progress has slowed a bit. I cut off and re-flared the first two hard lines (grapple) with the AN-37 degree JIC flaring tool and burnished the flares to finish them off. I then started cutting off the old hard line brackets off the loader arm but my die grinder crapped out. I need to replace it before I can continue since the chisel and small sledge hammer are not enough to make the factory Chinese crappy welds crack and there is barely enough room between the hood and FEL arm. I already removed the muffler assembly to get more room to work. I have two of these brackets to take off and then re-locate all of the lines a bit so that I can mount the two additional lines. I am also re-locating my pressure gauge for easier reading and am working on the last three hard lines back to the T&T and sump. Busy busy busy...
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Post by GuglioLS on May 13, 2008 22:07:43 GMT -5
my die grinder crapped out Ken, Bummer what brand was it? Air powered? I have a H/F air die grinder I purchased back in the days when H/F was mail order and the internet did not exist. To my amazement, it still works. There seems to be a gap somewhere in your time-line between having a 45* flaring tool and now you have a 37*? Slow progress is better than no progress. But don't drag this out too long, as my attention span is short (A.D.D. thing)
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Post by 3RRL on May 13, 2008 23:09:09 GMT -5
There seems to be a gap somewhere in your time-line between having a 45* flaring tool and now you have a 37*? Slow progress is better than no progress. But don't drag this out too long, as my attention span is short (A.D.D. thing) Larry If I remember correctly, it won't be long before his grapple (and yours) will have a birthday. Except yours has been working all this time. Come on Ken, get those dang things done. lol ... Before you know it, Kidd will have an operational set before you do! ;D
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Post by GuglioLS on May 14, 2008 1:02:15 GMT -5
Rob, I don't think this peer pressure thing is having the desired effect. Maybe we should resort to some form of reverse psychology? Something like - Hey Ken don't worry about it, take your time man, it's only been what? a lousy short year since this photo was taken. Remember when I handed you the grapple jaws Rob designed when you came to visit? I think they were still warm after I had them plasma cut. There is noting like fresh, hot off the grill plasma cut grapple jaws. Yea look at the pic, I'm wearing gloves so they were still hot. I think the half life of steel is somewhere around fifty thousand years before it oxides into nothingness, so what's a few more years anyway, right? Look at Brad, he got that giant backhoe and a bazillion fence posts, he's turned that into a life time achievement project just like your grapple, so it's not all that bad. Did I miss anything? Larry
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Post by quikduk on May 14, 2008 10:07:07 GMT -5
Very funny guys. ;D I had to "find" the JIC flaring tool. These things are harder to find than hens teeth. The die grinder was an older one and it is bypassing too much air so it hardly turns and stalls out a lot. I will need to look for an inexpensive HF mini and regular bodied set for the balance of this job. The current clamp issue has me perplexed a bit and I am trying to fix that issue. The muffler is too close to the lines and I am having to add bends to the new ones to give additional clearance, as well as reposition the entire clamp assemblies on the right loader arm. Nothing is too difficult. It just is taking me a lot longer to "field engineer" a decent solution. Maybe I will get time tonight to work on it. I was trying last night but the hot tub made some noise and is now not heating...again so I think the top-side control with the stat died. What a PITA.
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Post by 3RRL on May 14, 2008 10:42:24 GMT -5
Very funny guys. ;D I had to "find" the JIC flaring tool. lol .. yes it is funny ... What, they didn't invent them till yesterday?? ;D The die grinder was an older one and it is bypassing too much air so it hardly turns and stalls out a lot. I will need to look for an inexpensive HF mini and regular bodied set for the balance of this job. Bummer about that. Do you have an angle grinder or a bench grinder? What exactly are using the die grinders for? The current clamp issue has me perplexed a bit and I am trying to fix that issue. The muffler is too close to the lines and I am having to add bends to the new ones to give additional clearance, as well as reposition the entire clamp assemblies on the right loader arm. Maybe you should have put it on the left loader arm ... the naked one like I did? None of that would have been an issue. Oh well, hind sight is 20-20 and I'm sure you will get it sorted out alright. Sorry to bust your balls like that Ken, but Larry and I are just having fun with you. Here's a photo of your grapples all welded up. Loretta did some machining on them last December (2007 a half year ago) and I gave them to you in early January.
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Post by quikduk on May 14, 2008 11:07:55 GMT -5
I thought about the left loader arm...afterwards. Oh well. Live and learn. If my local government scheduling is correct, I should have this together by 2010...pending Board approval... On the flip side, my son is jonesing for a welding fix so I think I will have him work on a couple of things for the tractor this weekend. ;D
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Post by GuglioLS on May 14, 2008 23:11:02 GMT -5
Ken, I must say you have the patients of a saint putting up with everything that Rob and I can dish out, although we do so with extreme restraint. I also know your taking your (sweet ol) time to get everything perfect, bummer about the die grinder. The H/F ones work great and are dirt cheap, was yours an in-line or a 90* 1/4"?. I also like there 3" air cutoff tools. The cutoff wheels are made in Russia. 1/4" 90* Die grinder, I use this quite a bit for all kinds of grinding, cutting, and also with a wire wheel for removing rust and weld slag: www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=930883" high speed cutter, I use the heck out of this too: www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=901142010 huh? That's just around the corner. Larry
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Post by quikduk on May 16, 2008 9:05:24 GMT -5
Larry:
I used my 90 degree die grinder with a smaller cut-off wheel and it helped. The one that died was a straight one so I will get another later.
BTW, the Chinese may have spotty quality on some stuff but when they get their welds right, they are very hard and a bugger to cut through.
Also, this weekend is when I am trying to get all this finished by so...
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